"He suffers for his loyalty to his mentor. I think he suffers in that scene [the 12-step meeting scene] for his loyalty. As a loyal friend, he killed an innocent man to save his father figure, Walter White, and I think you can see in that scene he’s suffering greatly for it and is kind of ready to be judged and ready to be told he did the wrong thing, because somehow the lack of judgment is not sitting well with him, I suppose."